13:13:32 <debiantoruser> Hello
13:13:39 <debiantoruser> Is there anybody alive?
13:13:59 <debiantoruser> I have an great Idea for GS of code
13:16:22 <debiantoruser> Implement support of GCC / G++ and Linux in your OS
13:17:26 <debiantoruser> Like you know, FreeBSD support Linux, OpenBSD support most of linux binaries
13:17:39 <debiantoruser> Like Linux support Windows binaries by Wine
13:17:51 <debiantoruser> Like Windows support Linux by cygwin
13:18:13 <mikedld|w> debiantoruser: you can already use GCC to create Kolibri programs. as for "Linux support", you understand that there're quite a lot of system calls, and this kind of project would never fit into one summer
13:18:54 <ovf> incidentally, i think there was some effort to port wine. you might look into it
13:19:33 <mikedld|w> debiantoruser: http://diamond.kolibrios.org/hll/hll_eng.htm
13:20:16 <debiantoruser> mikedld, Is this GCC fully compatible ? Could I little modify e.g. rtorrent source and build it on KolibriOS?
13:20:16 <mikedld|w> a bit outdated probably, but still shows that it's possible
13:21:24 <debiantoruser> My request should sound another way: "Could you implement compilers with build land to support most of opensource projects?"
13:21:25 <mikedld|w> debiantoruser: the question here is not in GCC, but in that rtorrent relies on other libraries which would also need to be ported. like ncurses
13:22:19 <debiantoruser> What is the main trouble of porting ncurses?
13:22:46 <ovf> basically you will need posix support on top of kolibrios to build and run posix/linux software.
13:22:49 <mikedld|w> lack of manpower maybe. I don't know for sure as I never tried (and never will)
13:23:41 <debiantoruser> http://diamond.kolibrios.org/hll/hll_ppro1.gif
13:23:49 <debiantoruser> How many russians in your project?
13:24:18 <mikedld|w> the easier question is, how many non-Russians are there :)
13:24:32 <mikedld|w> I'd say one or two, if you could app developers
13:24:34 <debiantoruser> Really?
13:25:02 <debiantoruser> Cheers ! Good luck in Summer of Code.
13:25:57 <mikedld|w> thanks, you're welcome to participate
13:26:10 <ovf> mikedld|w: please don't app the developers! :-)
13:26:23 <mikedld|w> *count, sorry :)
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14:11:44 <KolibriOS|yogev> debiantoruser: Porting a whole OS to KolibriOS is not in our plans for GSoC, sorry.
14:12:15 <KolibriOS|yogev> debiantoruser: As well as porting tons of libraries.
14:15:08 <KolibriOS|yogev> mikedld|w: Right now we have 2 that contribute to the kernel on regular basis (hidnplayr & shikhin) and a few more that contribute occasionally (translations, porting Netsurf), so I'd say we have more than 2 but less than 10.
14:17:04 <mikedld|w> KolibriOS|yogev: I monitor commits, and I don't see that much activity from any non-Russian members except hidn
14:19:33 <KolibriOS|yogev> mikedld|w: That much <> nothing.
14:20:02 <mikedld|w> but also, that much <> regular
14:20:54 <KolibriOS|yogev> mikedld|w: Yes, but a new person who doesn't know you, could understand your answer " I'd say one or two, if you could app developers" differently. 
14:20:55 <mikedld|w> I would just face it on your place, Kolibri isn't an international project at all
14:22:37 <mikedld|w> BTW, when I said that I meant hidnplayr and macgub
14:23:49 <KolibriOS|yogev> mikedld|w: Let's face it - you have officially left the project more than 2 years ago, and transferred the server to XVilka. We have applied to GSoC without your help or advice. So I kindly ask you not to hinder the potential student applications by giving incorrect (or outdated) answers.
14:23:54 <mikedld|w> oh, also esevece, didn't see him lately though
14:26:18 <mikedld|w> and how exactly am I scaring someone away by saying that Kolibri doesn't have non-Rissian developers? this could only inspire people, along with the fact that Google have chosen you for some reason
14:27:05 <KolibriOS|yogev> mikedld|w: Because we do.
14:27:29 <mikedld|w> so either ban me from the channel or don't complain when you don't recognize the truth
14:29:02 <mikedld|w> and BTW, I left the project for this very reason: too much self-righteous Russians
14:29:41 <mikedld|w> (among other things)
14:30:59 <KolibriOS|yogev> mikedld|w: I counted at least 6. hidnplayr, macgub, esevece, shikhin, fedesco, kaitz, If 6 counts as 0, I don't know what else to say.
14:32:08 <mikedld|w> now count the number of days from last commit of each of them. with your attitude, I could've still been counted as "regular contributor" if I didn't say you I'm leaving the project
14:35:06 <KolibriOS|yogev> mikedld|w: You are nitpicking. I am also not Russian and my last commit was less than 3 months ago. Happy now?
14:37:03 <mikedld|w> just to make myself clear, I count a man as "Russian" by the primary language he uses on forums
14:51:00 <KolibriOS|yogev> mikedld|w: Sorry I don't accept that. You wrote "the easier question is, how many non-Russians are there :)". You cannot add clauses and "fine print" later to make your statement correct backdated. We are not an insurance company or bank here.
14:54:55 <mikedld|w> I always mean what I mean, no matter whether I say this explicitly or not, and I'm fine with this. those who may not fully understand what did I say or why did I say this or that are free to ask additional questions. that's the reality of IM, you can't expect people to make full statements with each message
14:55:24 <ovf> kolibrios is most certainly not an insurance company (though you guys would have been rich if it were), but the kind of nitpicking you're doing now is exactly what i'd expect from lawyers. relax.
14:57:26 <mikedld|w> last remark, if ovf would forgive me, initial question on "how may russians" was blurry as well ;)
14:58:16 <mikedld|w> *many